(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: CALS, and Citrix users Archived from groups: alt>os>citrix (more info?)
Ok here are the basic facts:
We discovered we have to switch over our servers from "Per Device" to
"Per User"
After our users log in they use our software remotely over the
internet .
Can we have to purchase just enough CALs to cover the concurrent users
(average of 30), or do we have to purchase CALs to cover every user we
have (more then 30)?
I am trying to find out if the expiration time will permit this.
(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Re: CALS, and Citrix users [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
SuperMicStick wrote:
> Ok here are the basic facts:
>
> We discovered we have to switch over our servers from "Per Device" to
> "Per User"
>
> After our users log in they use our software remotely over the
> internet .
>
> Can we have to purchase just enough CALs to cover the concurrent users
> (average of 30), or do we have to purchase CALs to cover every user we
> have (more then 30)?
>
> I am trying to find out if the expiration time will permit this.
You're asking a question that has nothing to do with Citrix (at least
not directly). You are talking about either Server CALs or Terminal
Server CALs (TSCALs).
Microsoft does not provide "concurrent" licenses. You have to buy enough
licenses to cover the potential number of devices or users.
Why do you "have to switch"?
I have no idea what you mean by "expiration time".
I'd recommend you call the MS Clearing House
(http://support.microsoft.com/kb/291795) and see if you can take
advantage of a one-time conversion.
--
Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services
(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: CALS, and Citrix users [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:38:26 -0500, "Hank Arnold (MVP)"
<rasilon.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I have no idea what you mean by "expiration time".
>
Hank,
I think he means the fact that licenses are returned to the Terminal
Server License Server if they havn't been used for up to 90 days. See
the following article - near the bottom.
(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: CALS, and Citrix users [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Ken Z wrote:
>
> The expiration period applies only to Per Device CALs anyway, so is
> not applicable to Per User.
>
Interesting.... I understand that it's not needed for 2003 Per User CALs
since they are not tracked. However, what about 2008? AFAIK, they *are*
tracked in 2008. Will there be / is there an expiration period? That
could be a *BIG* problem in organizations with any kind of turnover if
the licenses are not returned to the "library"....
--
Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services
(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: CALS, and Citrix users [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:17:14 -0500, "Hank Arnold (MVP)"
<rasilon.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>Ken Z wrote:
>>
>> The expiration period applies only to Per Device CALs anyway, so is
>> not applicable to Per User.
>>
>
>Interesting.... I understand that it's not needed for 2003 Per User CALs
>since they are not tracked. However, what about 2008? AFAIK, they *are*
>tracked in 2008. Will there be / is there an expiration period? That
>could be a *BIG* problem in organizations with any kind of turnover if
>the licenses are not returned to the "library"....
Hank,
sorry for not replying earlier...
Search google for a pdf document titled "Changes to Windows 2008
Terminal Server licensing.pdf". Here's the extract that you're
interested in...
"Per Device CAL Revocation: Earlier, it was not possible to revoke a
license issued to a client. Issued licenses would automatically expire
after a random period between 52-89 days and become part of the
available license pool. Some customers wanted to have the ability to
revoke a license and make it available immediately. The typical
scenario is where a particular machine would no longer be used (e.g.:
a machine was getting formatted) and the license had to be made
available immediately to another client without waiting for the
expiration period. To address this, we now have support for revoking a
license. Through the License Manager UI or the new WMI providers in
Windows 2008, you can select a per-device CAL that was issued to a
particular client machine and choose to revoke it. Note that you can
only revoke 20% or 1 of a specific version of a CAL at a time. So if
there were 100 Windows Server 2003 per-device CALs installed, you
could revoke only 20 of them at a time. Also note that revocation
support is currently only for per-device CALs"
(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: Re: CALS, and Citrix users [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Ken Z wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:17:14 -0500, "Hank Arnold (MVP)"
> <rasilon.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken Z wrote:
>>> The expiration period applies only to Per Device CALs anyway, so is
>>> not applicable to Per User.
>>>
>> Interesting.... I understand that it's not needed for 2003 Per User CALs
>> since they are not tracked. However, what about 2008? AFAIK, they *are*
>> tracked in 2008. Will there be / is there an expiration period? That
>> could be a *BIG* problem in organizations with any kind of turnover if
>> the licenses are not returned to the "library"....
>
> Hank,
>
> sorry for not replying earlier...
>
> Search google for a pdf document titled "Changes to Windows 2008
> Terminal Server licensing.pdf". Here's the extract that you're
> interested in...
>
> "Per Device CAL Revocation: Earlier, it was not possible to revoke a
> license issued to a client. Issued licenses would automatically expire
> after a random period between 52-89 days and become part of the
> available license pool. Some customers wanted to have the ability to
> revoke a license and make it available immediately. The typical
> scenario is where a particular machine would no longer be used (e.g.:
> a machine was getting formatted) and the license had to be made
> available immediately to another client without waiting for the
> expiration period. To address this, we now have support for revoking a
> license. Through the License Manager UI or the new WMI providers in
> Windows 2008, you can select a per-device CAL that was issued to a
> particular client machine and choose to revoke it. Note that you can
> only revoke 20% or 1 of a specific version of a CAL at a time. So if
> there were 100 Windows Server 2003 per-device CALs installed, you
> could revoke only 20 of them at a time. Also note that revocation
> support is currently only for per-device CALs"
>
> Regards
>
> Ken Z
Thanks much. Good info.
--
Regards,
Hank Arnold
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server - Directory Services
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